Was/Is Jesus Equal With God?

This is a conversation from a message board which I posted on my former website in September of 2004.

As noted below because it is from a message board it can at times be hard to follow.

Because the following is from a message board, the conversation may not be the easiest to follow.If you use message boards then you know that any person can jump in the conversation at any point and jump out at any point; so some thoughts here could seem a bit scattered. My part of the conversation will be in blue text while others will be in black.

(Because of complaints from participants in these conversations, I have removed their user names and will use the formula of ‘Speaker A’, ‘Speaker B’ and so on).

In this case the post which began the thread is too long to place here. As the title indicates, the poster was questioning if Jesus Christ was/is equal with God. We will pick the conversation up from there.

Speaker A wrote: Jesus was and is God. John 1:14;
And the Word (who is God) was made flesh,(who was Jesus) and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,( through the man Jesus) the glory( Jesus, the flesh and blood man , was filled with Gods spirit, was the walking glory of God here on earth) as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Speaker B wrote: I believe God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit

All one

Jesus IS God.
A few quick facts which can be found with in the pages of the bible.

Jesus claimed to be God.
Jesus created all things.
Jesus was before all things.
Jesus is eternal.
Jesus honored the same as the father.
Jesus is prayed to.
Jesus is worshipped.
Jesus is called God.
Jesus is omnipresent.
Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus judges.
Jesus SAVES.

Speaker C wrote: I believe that Christ is God’s Son, not God himself. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Christ didn’t love the world so much that He sent Himself. God sent Christ to atone for the sins of mankind. I believe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit to be ONE in PURPOSE, or mission.

Speaker D wrote: 1 corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

So therefore I would say yes to your question . Being that Christ is of God the Father and we also that are desciples of Christ are of the same spirit and body .

God the father calls Jesus Christ God in Hebrews.

Speaker F wrote: David says in the Psalms: The Lord (God) said to my Lord (Christ) sit at my right hand until I place your enemies beneath your feet. That seems to indicate that even in the O.T. Christ & God are one & the same, not different. I don’t remember the chapter & verse.

Yahweh is God: Jer 32:18, Isa 43:10, Isa 42:22
Jesus Is God: John 1:1, John 20:28, Heb 1:8, 1 John 5:20, Titus 2:13

Yahweh is Lord of Lords: Psalm 136:3, Duet 10:17
Jesus is Lord of Lords: Rev 17:14; 19:16, 1 Tim 6:14-16

Yahweh is the I AM: Ex 3:13-14, Duet 32:39, Isa 43:10
Jesus is the I AM: John 8:24 & 58, John 13:19, John 18:5

Yahweh is the Savior: Psalm 106:21, Isa 45:21, Isa 43:11 Jesus is the Savior: Acts 2:21, Rom 10:9, Titus 2:13

Yahweh is the Light: Isa 60:20, Psalm 27:1
Jesus is the Light: John 1:9, John 8:12

Yahweh is the Creator: Isa 40:28, Gen 1:1
Jesus is the Creator: John 1:3, Col 1:15-17

Every knee shall bow to Yahweh: Isa 45:23
Every knee shall bow to Jesus: Phil 2:10, Rom 14:11

Yahweh is called the Mighty God: Jer 32:18, Psalm 24:8
Jesus is called the Mighty God: Isa 9:6

Isaiah saw Yahweh’s glory: Isa 6:1-5
Isaiah saw Jesus’ glory: John 12:41

Yahweh is the stone of stumbling: Isa 8:13-14
Jesus is the stone of stumbling: 1 Peter 2:7-8

Yahweh ascended on high:Psalm 68:18
Jesus ascended on high: Eph 4:8-10

Yahweh is our righteousness: Jer 23:5 & 6
Jesus is our righteousness: 1 Co
r 1:30, 2 Cor 5:21, 1 John 2:1

Yahweh would be pierced: Zechariah 12:10
Jesus was the one pierced: Revelation 1:7

Jesus Is God, He is not simply equal with God.

Note that within the conversations we find out right denials of the deity of Christ (the person know as Speaker C is LDS, so his/her denial is not surprising).

Note also the rather “New Age” answers of some, all of whom make claim to Christianity.


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